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Episode 146: “If we cut up beasts simply because they cannot prevent us […] it is only logical to cut up imbeciles, criminals, enemies, or capitalists for the same reasons.”

By Jasmin and Mariann — October 27, 2012

Welcome to the 146th episode of Our Hen House, featuring Julieanna Hever, David Wolfson, and Diane Lenkowsky

In today’s episode, which, lemme tell ya, is a doozy of one, we talk about hopeful signs for veganism in the future, as noted in a popular Hollywood time-travel flick. And we talk about Jasmin’s birthday, which is – wow, this Tuesday – and let you in on what Our Hen House has to do with it. Then (and this is where the doozy comes in), we discuss animal testing and research, at length, and even bring in a bright young law student — Diane Lenkowsky — to the conversation. We’ll also tell you about the high points of the Animal Law Conference, where we spoke last weekend, and on that note, in a segment we like to call “The Professor and Mariann,” Mariann – a.k.a., “the professor” – will let us in on the riveting happenings from her class this past week.

Lightening and brightening it up for us today, joining us is the fabulous Julieanna Hever, vegan dietician, bestselling author, and media personality. Julieanna, who has recently appeared on more mainstream TV shows than Ellen, will shed light for us on how the mainstream media is softening, even awakening, to the dire importance of veganism. Julieanna will also debunk the ridiculous Paleo fad for us, and give us her take on the word “plant-based.”

For our review, we are humbled and thrilled to welcome back David Wolfson — animal law guru, scholar, professor, do-gooder, friend, and all around great guy. David recently organized an exciting talk at NYU as part of their Animal Studies program, where NY Times film critic, Manohla Dargis, dialogued with him about animals used in film. David will chat with us about how the event went over. You may be surprised by some of Manohla’s views – perhaps pleasantly so!

All that, vegan banter, and of course, current events from the world of animal rights.

This week’s news items include:

“If we cut up beasts simply because they cannot prevent us and because we are backing our own side in the struggle for existence, it is only logical to cut up imbeciles, criminals, enemies, or capitalists for the same reasons.” -C.S. Lewis 

The Our Hen House podcast is sponsored by The Seed: A Vegan Experience, which is currently gearing up for a Yoga Week – 5 days of urban zen and plant-based empowerment. The Seed brings you events, conferences, and happenings that raise awareness about the many delicious, cruelty-free alternatives to animal products.

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(4) Readers Comments

  1. Ashley Dietrich
    October 27, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Regardless of ethical arguments (though these are certainly of high importance), the vast majority of animal experimentation (and all use of animals in biomedical and pharmaceutical research) is based on bad science, due to precedents set in motion long before their invalidity was decisively known. The best resource on this topic I have found is the book “Sacred Cows and Golden Geese: The Human Cost of Experiments on Animals,” “Specious Science” or any of the other books by Dr. C. Ray Greek. and Jean Swingle Greek. The husband (MD) and wife (DVM) co-authors show the lack of results that animal experimentation has turned out, and they explain the reasons that using nonhumans for models of human disease is not a valid approach. They show that using animal studies for pharmaceutical testing does nothing more than provide legal protection for the companies if the drugs have negative effects on humans, and puts people at greater risk when they take drugs that have not undergone legitimate testing. Dr. Greek has also written a book specifically for scientists, as well as another geared toward people with little or no scientific background.

  2. October 30, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Julieanna is such a joy! Thanks for another great episode.

  3. jessika
    November 3, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Ashley has described the situation well, anyone who is interested in the topic must read the Greeks' books asap. Rather than focusing our attention, energy, and efforts on increasing welfare standards, should we be focusing our energy on developing alternative methods and scientifically demonstrating the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of "animal models?" Thereby forwarding the path away from animal testing altogether? This is definitely an area where animal rights biologist are needed...anyone out there in the process of deciding on an AR career path..here's an important one.



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