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Episode 192: “If I look at the mass I will never act. If I look at the one, I will.”

By Jasmin and Mariann — September 14, 2013

chinastudy_colincampbell_300dpiWelcome to the 192nd episode of Our Hen House, featuring Dr. T. Colin Campbell [transcript], with Chef Daphne Cheng.

In today’s episode, we ramble about a vegetarian prisoner being fed fish against his will, a trip to Jasmin’s home town for some extraordinary Indian food, Bill Clinton’s recent stir-up in the news regarding his supposed veganism, and the problems with making assumptions. We’ll also define a few very important Spanish words for you, thanks to a listener in Barcelona, and we’ll tell you about some upcoming speaking engagements that we hope you can attend. Plus, we’ll talk about vegan supper clubs, and tell you all about Suite Three Oh Six, New York City’s newest one, which is making waves throughout Manhattan and beyond. It’s the brainchild of Chef Daphne Cheng, and Daphne will tell us all about what drives her, as well as give you an idea of what was on her latest 7-course-menu. (Our apologies in advance if this interview makes you ravenous.)

Joining us for our feature interview today is Dr. T. Colin Campbell, whom you probably know best as the author of The China Study – as well as the star of Forks Over Knives. Dr. Campbell, of course, has been at the forefront of nutrition research for over 40 years, and is excited to share with us the inside scoop from his latest book, Whole: Rethinking the Science of Nutrition. He’ll also let us in on his feelings about the medical community at large, animal welfare, and the word “vegan.” Don’t miss this interview with the most prominent doctor in history to mainstream the idea of eating a diet free of all animal products.

For our review, Mariann will give us her thoughts on the new mini-documentaries produced by The Weather Channel, entitled Brink, which – through a series of short webisodes – go behind the scenes into the harsh world of various species of animals who are under attack.

All that, vegan banter, and of course, current events from the world of animal rights.

For a list of the news items we discuss in today’s episode, and then some, take a look at the breaking news ticker at the top of the page, and also check out our list of archived news items.

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“If I look at the mass I will never act. If I look at the one, I will.” -Mother Theresa

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(7) Readers Comments

  1. Ayla Kiser
    September 17, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Dear Mariann and Jasmin, thanks for another great podcast and for all of the much-needed work that you do! Along with the super-inspirational words of Dr. Campbell, one point in particular that got me excited while listening to this podcast was when Mariann mentioned her dislike of the wastefulness of take-out packaging. In case you or some of your audience weren't aware, I thought I'd mention an ethical company called To-Go Ware ( that sells gorgeous stainless steel tiffins (just like the ones used in India) and bamboo utensil sets that are really easy to keep in your purse at all times so that you don't have to use those damned disposable forks/spoons/knives/chopsticks. I promise that I have nothing to do with the company, besides that I'm a happy customer who uses To-Go Ware containers/utensils and gives them as gifts (always with a positive response from the giftee!). Reducing the use of disposable packaging, utensils, and bags will greatly benefit animals.

    • Jasmin Singer
      September 17, 2013 at 2:58 pm

      Yes!! I've seen these -- maybe at Herbivore? Thank you so much for the lovely reminder! I'll definitely need to get this at some point. In the mean time, we are definitely trying to reduce our waste. Thanks, as always, for listening and weighing in. You rock. xo j

  2. Alexandra Jones
    September 23, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Just wondering about the collagen product being developed to replace the Dreys test. I've always thought that collagen is an animal-sourced substance that comes from skin, tendons, ligaments and other delightful "leftovers" from the slaughter industry. Do you know if there is such a thing as non-animal derived collagen, and is that what they would be using in the Dreys alternative? Anything is better than dripping chemicals into the eyes of living animals, but it would be nice to see an alternative that doesn't prop up the slaughter industry.

    • September 24, 2013 at 10:26 am

      Hi Alexandra, I agree with you! Plant-based collagen can be derived from algae: see this site: Here is one supplement that contains it: I don't know the source of the collagen used to develop corneal tissue. You can read more about those experiments in my post at Care2 Causes, "Is This An End To Horrible Experiments On Animals' Eyes?" at

  3. September 25, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Lovely podcast as always ladies! One comment about the review of Brink (which sounds pretty good). I'm sure Alan Rabinowitz came across great on the show, as he is a charismatic guy that is at least as interested in his rock star status among conservationists as he is about actual conservation. He has recently sided with ranchers and miners against protecting jaguar habitat in the US - where there have been numerous sightings recently in AZ (my backyard!). He is apparently passionate about cats - that don't conflict with his financial interests. The co-founder of Rabinowitz's group Panthera is a mining executive, thus Panthera is against jaguars in the US that would impede mining... Sad how money corrupts. More information here: you guys!

    • Mariann Sullivan
      September 25, 2013 at 11:56 pm

      Thanks for letting us know about the jaguar situation. That is really disturbing.

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