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Episode 398: Dr. Melanie Joy, Driftwood Magazine’s Holly Feral & Michele Truty

By Jasmin and Mariann — August 26, 2017

Welcome to the 398th episode of Our Hen House!

Mariann talks to Dr. Melanie Joy about her new book, Beyond Beliefs: A Guide to Improving Relationships and Communication for Vegans, Vegetarians, and Meat Eaters. Harvard-educated psychologist Dr. Melanie Joy is the world’s leading expert on the psychology of veganism and of eating animals, and her work has been featured by national and international media outlets around the world, including the New York Times , the BBC, and ABC Australia. Dr. Joy is also a longtime relationship coach and communications specialist. She has traveled to 38 countries on six continents where she’s spoken with thousands of vegans, vegetarians, and meat eaters about their experiences in “veg/non-veg” relationships. Dr. Joy is also the author of the award-winning book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows and she is the founder and president of Beyond Carnism.

Jasmin talks with Holly Feral (Editor-in-Chief) and Michele Truty (Managing Editor) of Driftwood Magazine about building community, traveling while vegan, and the explosion of vegan scenes in major U.S. cities. Holly cut her teeth working for community papers and the Tennessean. Freelancing as a writer and photographer since 2006, she has experimented with fine art photography, historical processes and freelance commercial photography since moving to the Pacific Northwest. In the PNW, she worked in homeless housing and worked on the concept of an international magazine highlighting culture and building bridges through understanding and empathy. That idea took some turns before becoming Driftwood after 4 years of dreaming and planning. Michele has worked in publishing for 15 years: production and managing editorial at Penguin (making kids’ books!); copy editing for a bunch of car magazines; and writing, editing, and general word-nerdery as a freelancer. She was a co-founder of Vida Vegan Con and Vegan Iron Chef, and back in the day blogged at Vegtastic Voyage. Born in Chicago, she’s lived in New York and L.A. and now calls Portland home.

Mariann covers News and Rising Anxieties, too!

As always, the award-winning weekly Our Hen House podcast is hosted by Mariann Sullivan and Jasmin Singer.


This episode is brought to you in part through the generosity of A Well-Fed World. A Well-Fed World is a hunger relief and animal protection organization chipping away at two of the world’s most immense, unnecessary and unconscionable forms of suffering… the suffering of people hungry from lack of food, and the suffering of animals used and abused for food. Mending our unjust food system is a critical part of solving the world’s most destructive and persistent problems. Fortunately, the plant-based foods that promote health and well-being are the same foods that conserve resources to better feed the world, while reducing greenhouse gas emissions and protecting the environment. A Well-Fed World provides the means for change by empowering individuals, social justice organizations, and political decision makers to embrace the benefits of plant-based foods and farming. Learn more at

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