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Episode 496: Dale Jamieson on Institutional Change for Animals

By Jasmin and Mariann — July 13, 2019

This week, Mariann sits down with Dale Jamieson to talk about his work with the Center for Environmental and Animal Protection at New York University, his work in creating the Environmental Studies program at NYU, the skepticism around animal studies programs, and effective ways to engage with animal advocacy courses.

Dale Jamieson is a Professor of Environmental Studies and Philosophy; Director, Center for Environmental and Animal Protection; Affiliated Professor of Law; Affiliated Professor of Medical Ethics, School of Medicine; Associated Faculty, Center for Bioethics, College of Global Public Health; New York University. He has been involved in animal issues since the late 1970s and was colleagues with Tom Reagan, Peter Singer, and Marc Bekoff as well as Lori Gruen’s teacher. Dale was one of the original signers of the 1993 declaration on the rights of apes. He has written on a range of issues from animal ethics to animal minds, some of which is collected in Morality’s Progress: Essays on Humans, Other Animals, and the Rest of Nature, (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2002), ix + 380pp. since coming to NYU in 2003 he’s been involved in founding NYU’s animal studies initiative and the ma program in animal studies, as well as the center referred to above.

In the intro to this episode Jasmin is obsessed with Oatley, we are thrilled to get a kind response from Heidi Schrek (What The Constitution Means to Me), and we discuss the horrors of the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act.

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