Get exclusive content, special features, giveaways, limited edition products and much more.
It’s so clucking worth it.

Episode 522: Aph Ko on Racism as Zoological Witchcraft

By Jasmin and Mariann — January 11, 2020

This week Jasmin talks to Aph Ko about her new book, Racism as Zoological Witchcraft, A Guide to Getting Out. She breaks down how Jordan Peele’s film “Get Out” uses animals as symbolism for racism, how the film’s portrayal of racism intersects with rituals from witchcraft, and why we need to find new ways to talk about racism. Aph Ko’s previous appearance on Our Hen House was phenomenal and trust us this interview is just as important and not to be missed.

Aph Ko is a writer and independent media producer. She is the founder of Black Vegans Rock, co-author of Aphro-ism: Essays on Pop Culture, Feminism, and Black Veganism from Two Sisters, and author of the new book, Racism as Zoological Witchcraft: A Guide to Getting Out. She served as the Associate Producer for the documentary film Always in Season, directed by Jacqueline Olive. The film won the U.S. Documentary Special Jury award for Moral Urgency at the Sundance Film Festival in February 2019.

In the intro to the show, Jasmin gives us an update on her rescued chihuahua George, Mariann tells us about her exciting upcoming teaching opportunities, and our recent mention in Parade Magazine. Also, Jasmin is going to a non-vegan potluck. Later in the episode, Mariann brings us Rising Anxieties!

As always, the award-winning weekly Our Hen House podcast is hosted by Mariann Sullivan and Jasmin Singer.



This episode is brought to you in part through the generosity of A Well-Fed World. A Well-Fed World provides the means for change by empowering individuals, social justice organizations, and political decision makers to embrace the benefits of plant-based foods and farming. Learn more at

Our Hen House is now part of the iROAR podcast network.

You can listen to our podcast directly on our website, or subscribe on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcatcher! Also, if you like what you hear, please rate it and leave us a comment on Apple Podcasts! Of course, we would be thrilled if you would also consider making a donation, or becoming a member of our flock (especially if you’re a regular listener). Any amount is hugely appreciated, and Our Hen House is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, so it’s tax-deductible! Thank you for helping us create quality content, and for helping us bring you a new podcast episode each week!

Don’t forget to tune into Our Hen House’s other two podcasts: The Teaching Jasmin How to Cook Vegan Podcast, and The Animal Law Podcast.

Comment with Facebook


Get OHH By Email!

Find Us on Facebook