The Hen Report: “The Status Update Of Your Life” | Monkeys on the Loose, Stolen Surfboards, and Birthday Banter

Jasmin Singer: and here we are on.

Mariann Sullivan: Oh, happy birthday Jasmin. Happy birthday.

Jasmin Singer: Oh, thanks. It is my birthday today, although we're recording this the day before my

Mariann Sullivan: Happy birthday tomorrow, which is today. How's that? Did I get it right?

Jasmin Singer: You know, uh, when we used to have my grandma on, like, you know, when we first started, I remember we had her on, on my birthday a couple times and she said, happy birthday. It was very sweet. I kind of feel like I should go re-listen to those and

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, I, I forgot she was on, on your birthday.

Jasmin Singer: Yeah. It has been like. Like, first of all, I'm a little under the weather, which I'm, I'm hearing a

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, I can hear it in your voice.

Jasmin Singer: I also have been nonstop rehearsing, uh, for the play.

Mariann Sullivan: Well, you're very lucky because that means you can watch less news because that would be, it's, it's immeasurably more wearing on the nerves than rehearsing. I can assure you.

Jasmin Singer: Um, yeah,

Mariann Sullivan: All, the world is exhausted. Exhausted. Was it, was this the week that he tore down half the White House? Uh, I can't remember. I can't remember when anything happened.

Things that happened two days ago seemed like they happened 10 weeks ago because so much happens every day.

Jasmin Singer: Right no. I know, I, uh,

Mariann Sullivan: tore down

Jasmin Singer: I

Mariann Sullivan: east wing of the White House every time. Like it's, it's hard to get your head around it, you know, like you say it, but it's, it's like out of a book, like you read it somewhere, not that it's in real life.

Jasmin Singer: Right.

Mariann Sullivan: Would that it were, but no real life apparently.

Jasmin Singer: Else. Something else is to me, kind of like out of a book or out of a movie. And it's this, it's this news story and I, I know I'm just jumping right into it here, but the first time I saw this was on The Today Show this morning. So like super mainstream, that a truck carrying lab monkeys from Tulane crashed, and the monkeys got out,

uh,

Mariann Sullivan: of the, I don't think they all got out. Some of.

Jasmin Singer: Um, as, as of this recording three are still on the loose, I think, and they, they killed, I think, five of them because they said they were dangerous. They were dangerous. These

Mariann Sullivan: I, I went back and looked at it 'cause I had not seen it on The Today Show 'cause I don't watch The Today Show and you told me about it. So I went back and looked at a couple of articles, but I'm really curious to know like, what was the tone?

Jasmin Singer: I was interested in that too, and I felt like it was extremely neutral. Like I felt like it was, uh, I, there I, I was waiting for a little, like, well, I, I'd, I'd run away too, you know, like some kind

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, some kind, some kind of empathy at all.

Jasmin Singer: A nod toward it, but it was, it was set in a very straightforward way.

Mariann Sullivan: It did turn out. I think that at, at least according to the, you know, I'm, we're still in the middle of the story, but according to what I read, they first, the driver told the police that the monkeys were dangerous. Uh, the driver who had just apparently crushed the truck, I don't know whether it was his fault, but uh, he was the one who had just crushed the truck and they just like, took him at his word, which I can't really, you know, I mean, of course they're gonna take him at his word.

What other information do they have? And that was the basis for them find, thinking that the monkeys were dangerous. And that was not true. They were not infected with anything. Um, they were, they were being, they weren't owned by Tulane. They were owned by somebody else, also disgusting. They were o quote unquote owned by somebody else.

And the, and they were being transported and they hadn't yet been used in experimentation. So, you know, the ones who died probably escaped something even worse than death. So, who knows? The whole story is so sort, so unbelievably sordid.

Jasmin Singer: It sounds like Wicked. You know, like I, I know that Wicked is about to be released, like the second

Mariann Sullivan: The second half. Yeah.

Jasmin Singer: I have seen it on Broadway. Uh, I, I've seen it like a billion times on Broadway. I don't even know why I've seen it a billion times, but, uh. Sometimes when you live in New York City, as, as we did for so long, Broadway happens

Mariann Sullivan: Are, are you digressing by any chance?

Jasmin Singer: I am. Uh, but anyway, so like the crux of the story, which as we've discussed is an animal rights story

Mariann Sullivan: Which nobody ever mentions, even though it's completely blatant. But anyway.

Jasmin Singer: my, and obviously Wicked was originally a book, but, um, my literary agent also had said to me once, why do, why does no one talk about the fact that it's an animal rights story?

And

Mariann Sullivan: Oh.

Jasmin Singer: very happy because she's very savvy,

Mariann Sullivan: the only one who figured that out, even though it's completely blatant

Jasmin Singer: But it's about, you know, monkeys who are let out of being, you know, confined for cruel and

Mariann Sullivan: there.

Jasmin Singer: horrible,

Mariann Sullivan: I mean, it wasn't specifically about monkeys. I mean, there were a lot of different animals.

Jasmin Singer: Well, the flying monkeys, I guess is what

Mariann Sullivan: Oh,

Jasmin Singer: of,

Mariann Sullivan: the flying monkeys, right? Yeah, the flying monkeys.

Jasmin Singer: but there are

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah.

Jasmin Singer: Uh, but in any case, I like that was the first thing I thought of when I saw this story, and

Mariann Sullivan: interesting. Yeah.

Jasmin Singer: I

Mariann Sullivan: you have that kind of poetic mind. You relate everything to Broadway.

Jasmin Singer: to Broadway. Uh, that's true, but I, am horrified by this story, and I, you know. We're reporting on it right now, like a couple hours after I originally saw it. Like it's very fresh in the news. I wonder, I, I would imagine there are sanctuaries getting involved and saying, you know, just let them

Mariann Sullivan: Who knows. I mean, they belong to somebody. Like they'll probably just go back and into research.

Jasmin Singer: it is when, when, when, like animals escape

Mariann Sullivan: No, it's true. The one hero animal, like who escapes me, i, I actually have some compassion for,

Jasmin Singer: Right, exactly. Exactly

Mariann Sullivan: I mean, I think the most disturb, well the most disturbing thing about it is how nothing mentions how they quote unquote euthanize them. Uh, God help us. Uh, but they use euthanize in the most, like ridiculous sense.

We killed them, they killed them, they murdered them, not euthanized them. Um, but anyway, that, that, that's the word that they use. And the, it's the, it's the attitude, you know? That's what breaks my heart. It's like, it's like you can't, you can't like question this? You can't show any compassion. You can't think about the fact that they're owned by one company and being transferred by a different university, and then the driver says something, lie about them, so they get this killed.

And all of that is basically fine and normal. And that's the way this works. That's what drives me crazy. At least it made the news. I guess we should be thankful for that, but probably more because it was kind of scary.

Jasmin Singer: Well, for the monkeys,

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, but people are scared of the, I mean, you know, and monkeys aren't, humans have so much nerve, they call these monkeys aggressive.

Jasmin Singer: I, it's ridiculous.

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah.

Jasmin Singer: It's also like Planet of the Apes. I wanna re-watch that. should rewatch planet of

Mariann Sullivan: We keep saying we're going to watch all of these movies and we keep saying we're gonna have movie night and we keep planning it and we keep not doing it. So I'm leaving it in your hands. We were gonna do not that it has anything to do with animal. Right. So I digress. Um, Practical Magic for, for gonna do a showing of practical magic, which I haven't seen in several years for Halloween, which is a great witchy story.

Jasmin Singer: on my, I mean, we could You wanna come over on my birthday night, which is today in podcast land. I have rehearsal, so it would have to be after rehearsal,

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, no, I, I, I'm, I'm not staying up until midnight to watch Practical Magic.

Jasmin Singer: been rehearsing pretty late. Yeah, I'm rehearsing till nine. Well,

Mariann Sullivan: And also, you know, that Halloween for me is, is

Jasmin Singer: but

Mariann Sullivan: it's,

Jasmin Singer: gonna be super

Mariann Sullivan: it's

Jasmin Singer: Did you

Mariann Sullivan: hard. I thought, no, I looked and like it was gonna be super rainy at all.

Jasmin Singer: Oh, that's

Mariann Sullivan: interested in this. Nobody's interested.

Jasmin Singer: Okay. All right. Back to animals. You know what, uh, wait. No, no, no. I do have a question. You get a lot of trick or treaters. What candy, what vegan candy did you get them this year?

Mariann Sullivan: Oh, I got them the same thing. I always get them. I can't remember what it's called. It's those airheads. Yeah, they always like them. They're cheap, but they, they're cheap, but it sort of looks like a full bar, not like a little Halloween little thing. And, um, they're pure su,

Jasmin Singer: it.

Mariann Sullivan: unadulterated sugar,

Jasmin Singer: Can I

Mariann Sullivan: and, um, and they're vegan.

Jasmin Singer: when I am in the play, and you know, Judy Garland is, is she has a, a reliance on pills. stage manager put m and ms in the pill bottle. And so I open it and I take it out and I'm like, I just pretended to eat it. And she's like, it's m and ms. I'm like, I'm vegan.

And, and then she's like, oh, okay. What, what, what do you want me to put in it? And like she, we started discussing what she could put in it, and I was like, I could get vegan m and ms. And everyone's like, you can. Wow. And now I

Mariann Sullivan: I didn't know you could get vegan m and ms.

Jasmin Singer: they sell, no, they're not m and m's, that's not the

Mariann Sullivan: Well, yeah, I, I figured. Yeah.

Jasmin Singer: at the vegan grocery store, which maybe we could go

Mariann Sullivan: Oh, yeah.

Jasmin Singer: Uh, and I could pick some up there.

Mariann Sullivan: All.

Jasmin Singer: in, in any case, uh, bird flu is back. That was a terrible transition. It's my birthday. Be generous.

Mariann Sullivan: It was ridiculous. That was not a transition. Yeah. You know, I actually tried to focus mostly on good news articles this week, uh, but I figured we have to cover a little real news and, um. And I don't think this is getting a lot of press, but you know, bird flu was the biggest thing on the planet, kind of died down.

Everybody forgot about it, but at the time, all the scientists said, well, this is not gonna go away. It's gonna be seasonal and cyclical. And now it's back after a quiet summer. The virus is hitting poultry flocks hard in the run up to the holidays. Yeah. Like the poultry flux really care about the holidays.

Uh, and they're, you know, they're making, this is an article in the New York time making a big deal about the shutdown. It's limiting the amount of information that's, that's, that's available to everybody. And let's see. There have been, um, uh, seven the deaths of nearly 7 million farmed birds, 7 million birds.

We just say it like it's nothing and about 1.3 million turkeys. And you can imagine the comment that comes with that. Putting pressure on the nation's turkey supply and they're run up to Thanksgiving. Fuck these people, I hate them so much. Uh. Also reports of infected wild birds of course is surging because, you know, we create the flocks of the chickens, then the wild birds can catch it from them and then they can spread it.

Um, and dairy cows, uh, there have been three states that have identified outbreaks in dairy cows, Idaho, Nebraska, and Texas. So, you know, we're all gonna die. We are all gonna die.

Jasmin Singer: Do you

Mariann Sullivan: That's the truth.

Jasmin Singer: do you think that bird flu is still as, uh, much of a looming threat as it was last year?

Mariann Sullivan: Well. I don't think I have any way of answering that. It's like how bad is the pandemic gonna be? Like, like, like it kind of depends on things that I don't know enough about and I don't think anybody knows enough about, um, you know, it's back, is it gonna explode? Is it gonna like be just a cyclical thing?

I don't think anybody knows the answer to those questions. We're just tossing the dice.

Jasmin Singer: Oh, that reminds me of a lyric that you love. I

Mariann Sullivan: mud.

Jasmin Singer: in my

Mariann Sullivan: God, you like everybody out there. I just want you to know that knowing Jasmin is just like, like Judy, Judy, Judy, Judy, Judy Garland.

Jasmin Singer: play

Mariann Sullivan: all she ever talks about.

Jasmin Singer: a month.

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. Who cares

Jasmin Singer: All

Mariann Sullivan: what, what

Jasmin Singer: but

Mariann Sullivan: Lyric.

Jasmin Singer: um, I

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. I,

Jasmin Singer: The losing dice

Mariann Sullivan: I love that song. That's one of my favorite songs Just in time.

Jasmin Singer: Mm-hmm.

Mariann Sullivan: I found you just in time. I was lost.

The losing dice were tossed. My bridges all were crossed, nowhere to go. What a great, great lyric. Yeah.

Jasmin Singer: Yeah. Really

Mariann Sullivan: All right. Bird flu. We're tossing the, we're tossed the dice on a on on the life. All life on the planet. What the hell?

Jasmin Singer: Why not? Six animal rights activists are cleared over

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. This is an old story, and for some reason we never talked about it. I mean, not that we talk about absolutely everything. We just pick and choose a few things, but, uh, but this is the kind of thing I usually do like to talk about. This is in the uk and this is, this is the trial has been threatened for a while.

There's six animal welfare campaigners. They were, they were charged with causing a public nuisance over these protests they staged at the Grand National, which of course is this race, and it's a very big deal in the UK from what I understand. And, um, they climbed the fences and went onto the track and demonstrated.

So it really was kind of a big deal. And they, they, there were all these charges laid against 'em, and they were taken to trial and they were acquitted. I just love it. Oh,

Jasmin Singer: I, I'm, I love listening to you get a kick out of that. No,

Mariann Sullivan: don't you don't, you just love it?

Jasmin Singer: I

Mariann Sullivan: It just makes me so happy.

Jasmin Singer: Yeah, I do.

Mariann Sullivan: Um, all right.

Jasmin Singer: Well, the next thing is also not only gonna make you happy, but where, where are your sidekicks? The little kitty cat sidekicks. I usually see them making a,

Mariann Sullivan: They, they, they keep their own schedules. Today it happens to be nap time.

Jasmin Singer: Oh, I see. Uh, well, they would enjoy this story because, uh, California banned declawing.

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. Also, you know, this happened a little, a little while ago, but very, very, um, very good news

Jasmin Singer: Mm-hmm.

Mariann Sullivan: uh, you know, I think a lot of people, uh, they say that up to a third of, of domestic cats are declawed, which seems like really, or Oh no, it says 25% in North America, it says North America and Canada. Canada is in North America.

This is from Plant-based News, so they're in the Uk. But just so you know, you're in the Uk, Canada is in North America, um, and gets very fussy if, uh, if this particular country that we're in tries to, uh, steal the, the, the word America. Um, anyway, I digress. Uh, and you know. I think a lot of people don't realize cat declawing is really bad for cats.

I guess sometimes it works out and they're okay. A lot of times it doesn't and they're really not okay. So, so, uh, the only, you know, the only thing is, is that cats sometimes claw furniture. I could take the computer over to my couch to demon, demonstrate that in real time, and they, you know, it's a problem.

But yeah, who, who cares?

Jasmin Singer: Uh, yeah, I totally agree. I, but

Mariann Sullivan: Well, some people do, and it's better for the cats to have a, have a life. So, so anything that you can do to, um,

Jasmin Singer: mm-hmm.

Mariann Sullivan: you know, provide things for your cats to claw is, uh, is much better than chopping their toes off.

Jasmin Singer: And certainly some cities, including my old home in West Hollywood had already banned it. But it's nice

Mariann Sullivan: Well, west Hollywood is always at the forefront.

Jasmin Singer: Yeah.

Mariann Sullivan: because you, you lived there. I'm willing to take that as a possibility.

Jasmin Singer: a very nice birthday gift of yours to say to me. It was, it was making these animal rights, uh. You know, grand gestures well. Before I lived there, I only actually lived, lived there for

Mariann Sullivan: I, I didn't, I, I, I wasn't actually serious. Jasmin,

Jasmin Singer: No, I

Mariann Sullivan: I was being silly.

Jasmin Singer: aware. You know what's great, Excedrin, if you're gonna take a headache medicine, Excedrin has caffeine in it. And I took some like an hour ago and now I'm like, well,

Mariann Sullivan: Oh yeah. It has loads of caffeine. Yeah.

Jasmin Singer: All right, so let's talk about more good news, which is, this is, honestly, this blew my mind.

Mariann Sullivan: I know this is unbelievable. I agree. Like I feel like, I feel like things are happening faster than I can keep up with them. We're making so much progress. What happened here?

Jasmin Singer: is

Mariann Sullivan: People are now wondering like what's going on?

Jasmin Singer: This, this is like an April Fool's Day story. Except it's not, which it, and, and this is like what, you know how Veg News does those April Fool's Day stories and we all hate them, uh,

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, because,

Jasmin Singer: us. This is

Mariann Sullivan: because we think they're true. Yeah.

Jasmin Singer: Vogue.

Mariann Sullivan: if we found out it was No, no, it's in Plant-based News. They know what they're talking about.

Jasmin Singer: is going to stop featuring fur in all editorial content and advertising

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, the, the, I mean, I'm sure there were many people involved in this, but Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade, according to this article was at the forefront. They've been putting sustained pressure on Conde Nast, and it's all of Conde Nast, uh, which, you know, owns a bunch of, uh, owns The New Yorker, Vanity Fair.

Gq, but the, you know, Vogue is obviously the big fur promoter, and it's, it's partially because Anna Wintour, who used to be the, the, the publisher, the editor, I don't know, whatever she was, she was a bitch and she loved fur and, uh. She used to live around the corner from me. I know that makes it sound like I'm rich, but really in New York you could have very poor people living right up against very rich people.

She owned this, she owned this big, beautiful townhouse in soho. Um,

Jasmin Singer: What, like while I was living there,

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, I think so.

Jasmin Singer: Maybe? No, it sounds vaguely familiar.

Mariann Sullivan: They used to do protests, uh, but that was, she might, maybe she moved away. I don't know, um, by the time you were living there. Anyway, we digress. Just today's theme, um, it's unbelievable and it, this article notes that global fur production has dropped by 85% over the past 10 years.

85%. Like who's even wearing it anymore? Uh, who are these people? And, and, uh, it, it, it's, all but dead. I mean, it is dead. But the progress on this issue has been truly, truly extraordinary.

Jasmin Singer: Yeah, and it's, it's recent, you know, like it's one of those things that it's fairly recent. Uh, it, it gives me hope. It really does. It really does. I have hope you gave me hope on my birthday. Okay, so I wanna talk about this other story, but I, before I do, I wanna tell you that, uh, 'cause it's a good intro into this story. I, I have this neighborhood app thing where like, if something happens in the neighborhood, like you

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jasmin Singer: You know, and, and someone said there's a lot of like lost pets on it. Uh, and someone said, a cat just wandered into my house. And it was like a it, they were like super friendly tabby cat, no tags. And I

Mariann Sullivan: Aw. I hope they, I hope they,

Jasmin Singer: they seemed nice.

They were like,

Mariann Sullivan: yeah, well, they wouldn't have posted if they were gonna like, uh, take 'em to the shelter this afternoon.

Jasmin Singer: But I was like, what an awesome animal. Like cat

Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. Hi. I think I'm gonna move in here. It's nice. It's nice.

Jasmin Singer: That window will do, just put up 18

Mariann Sullivan: Have you thought of a new couch?

Jasmin Singer: I'd like something pleather so I can claw at it. Uh, but that, that reminds me of this and I, speaking of places I used to live, I lived in Santa Cruz for a while in Northern California, or it's technically like Central California coast, but it's, it's a little bit more associated with Northern California. And now there's a story as reported in the New York Times that sea otters are stealing surfboards in Santa Cruz.

Mariann Sullivan: Apparently this is a thing. Apparently it's been a thing before. Two years ago, this one particular otter, Otter 8 4 1, they could have given her a name and

Jasmin Singer: seriously.

Mariann Sullivan: was a female.

Jasmin Singer: Nadine, the Otter.

Mariann Sullivan: Um, what they, they, I love this story. They just come up to surfers and they bite them and they take their surf boards. And then they won't give them back.

Jasmin Singer: That's,

Mariann Sullivan: It's so great.

Jasmin Singer: That's

Mariann Sullivan: It's so great. People are are pretty generous about it though. You know, some of 'em are not gonna be like, you know, how people are. Um, but, but it sounds like people, they, they do have, they do get the surfboards back. They have like, you know, lifeguards or whatever, or patrol people who have gone in and rescued people's surfboards and rested them away.

And this, uh, 8 4 1, Nadine, um, she was a, she, she had captured a, a lot of surfboards a while back. And, um, then they found out she was pregnant and they felt bad, and then she had the babies and she, she like took some time off. They don't know whether this latest run is being run basically by Nadine or, or somebody else.

But,

Jasmin Singer: Nadine's little

Mariann Sullivan: and, and the bite that the,

Jasmin Singer: to

Mariann Sullivan: the one bite that they talk about. The woman who, who was bitten, she said it was an exploratory nip. It didn't puncture my skin or anything, so they're not making a big deal about it. So they're just like mouthing people and taking their surfboards.

Jasmin Singer: I

Mariann Sullivan: like my favorite story in a long time.

Jasmin Singer: take a moment to recap a few of the things

Mariann Sullivan: I did, you know, it says they're, they're, they're taking them to use them. I do not know whether these otters are literally surfing. That seems unlikely.

Jasmin Singer: Yeah,

Mariann Sullivan: unlikely.

Jasmin Singer: I just want to take a moment. We started with monkeys who escaped their truck. Uh, then we talked about a cat who walked into someone's living room, and now we're talking about these otters who are stealing surfboards. Um, just kind of feel like the animals are gonna take over and I'm

Mariann Sullivan: Oh, wouldn't that, that... i'm so here for it.

Jasmin Singer: Me

Mariann Sullivan: You know, a lot of this is talking about, you know, how, how to manage this and, and, um, keeping surfers safe, keeping the otters safe, um, and talking about the fact that the otters don't have enough room, that they don't have enough habitat, that's why this is happening.

I just wonder, like, could people ever get to the point where they think, well, this is cooler than surfing. Like, not that surfing isn't cool, but this is really cool. This is a fabulous thing to have happen to you. Uh, like do we have to say, oh no, but surfing is an important human activity and we have to figure out how to save it.

I, I know that's not the worst attitude in the world when it comes to animals, but how much fun would it be to have your surfboard stolen by an otter?

Jasmin Singer: That would be like the Facebook status update of your life,

Mariann Sullivan: Totally.

Jasmin Singer: I love it. All right. This was fun. Uh, so one thing I forgot to mention at the top of the show was that the Our Hen House podcast empire has, uh, Rising Anxieties, comes out on Tuesdays. The Hen Report, which is this, comes out on Thursdays, and the long form interview on Fridays. Bonus for flock members comes out on Mondays.

We are on YouTube and also all the places where you can listen to podcasts. So make sure that you, you know, like it, share it, all those things. It we, I, another thing that's kind of bananas to me is that we're actually here at, at like, the end of year. We're now finally at end of year, our end of year fundraiser, which is when we do the vast, vast majority of the fundraising for our year.

Like I, I don't know the exact percentage, but I would say it's at least 80% of our annual funds are raised during this time, between October 30th, my birthday, which always kicks off, uh, our end of year fundraiser. But also just yeah, between that and the end of the year, it's, it's a really, really important time for us.

And so I wanna thank, thank you, our listeners immensely for just supporting Our Hen House for all these years, for your dedication to changing the world for animals. Honestly, we have the best audience in the world. I've checked, and it's true. They're the most compassionate, brilliant, determined people who are out there trying to create change for animals. Uh, and so if you would like to join the Our Hen House flock, or even if you're already in it and you would like to make sure that you're keeping us afloat. For every dollar you donate starting today, we'll receive two. We're hoping to raise $60,000 by

Mariann Sullivan: Two additional, I mean, for every dollar you donate, we'll receive two additional.

Jasmin Singer: I already messed up the, the messaging about our end of year fundraiser. Two additional. Thank you. Yeah, we're, we have a triple match is basically the point. And, and this is the last year of the triple match because, uh, the foundation that provided a third of it, uh, is, is no longer the, in the mix. So this is our last year that donate a dollar and it counts as $3. We're feeling optimistic because of our incredible supporters and you know, it's a difficult moment in, in the world to say the least. So we understand that not everyone can donate, but if you are able to, even if it's just like a few dollars, honestly, we really truly value every single donation we get. So ourhenhouse.org/support will show you our membership options and you can make a donation there. So thank you for those of you who have made, I've gotten some lovely birthday donations and I just really appreciate that and I really appreciate you. So thank you. Do you wanna talk about The Veganic Summit,

Mariann Sullivan: Uh, sure. Um, it is up, it is coming up. And, uh. I think that a lot of, I always feel like whenever we do anything about gardening, we get a lot of feedback. A lot of our listeners are gardeners. If you're not, you, you can stop listening to this. But, but you know, as we all know, doing any kind of Veganic farming, Veganic gardening is very hard.

You go to the garden store and all of the products, uh, you know, they're not even that easy to check, to make sure they're vegan or not. So, so the, the folks at The Veganic Summit, uh, and we had Jimmy Videle on a couple weeks ago to talk about it. Uh, every year they do this, this great. On, totally free on, well, it's not totally free.

It's, it's a free three day online event. You can, you can pay to get some extra, extra pieces, but, but the basics are all free. Um, you can sign up at veganicsummit.com and it'll be on November 7th to ninth of this year. I think this is so important, if any interest in gardening, it's just so depressing to find out that you've put ground up bones in your, in your soil, and that's what you're growing your vegetables on.

So I love the work they're doing.

Jasmin Singer: Yeah, I do too. So we will also include the link to that in our show notes. Thank you so much to those of you who are tuned in, thanks to Vicki Beechler and Jen Riley also for their help in putting together this podcast and Our Hen House as

Mariann Sullivan: Don't miss tomorrow's. Don't miss tomorrow's interview. It's an Animal Law Podcast interview. I think people will be really interested in it 'cause it has to do with this crazy California... it is a crime in California to confine animals without adequate exercise.

Jasmin Singer: Wow.

Mariann Sullivan: A crime and there are some lawyers out there who are trying to get that law enforced.

Jasmin Singer: Love it. Love it. Lots of hope today on Our Hen House. Who knew? We'll talk to you next time.