In this bonus conversation, Jordi Casamitjana — vegan zoologist, author of Ethical Vegan and Why Vegans Don’t, and the man behind the UK’s landmark legal protection of ethical veganism — goes deeper with Jasmin and Mariann on the practices that keep him going. Drawing on decades of animal behavior research, he shares how studying creatures from wasps to foxes cemented his understanding that animal suffering is real and that ahimsa — do no harm — is not just philosophy, but biology. The conversation also covers how he helped ban bullfighting in Catalonia by using culture as a tool rather than a target, why he sees most non-vegans as “intellectual teenagers” in a neotenic species still catching up to its own ethics, and his beautiful antidote to activist despair: throwing bottles into the sea, trusting that someone, someday, will find the missing piece.
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