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App not listed? Try this RSS linkThis episode of The Hen Report celebrates two major animal rights victories — the closure of the notorious Ridglan dog testing facility and Philadelphia’s ban on horse-drawn carriages — then pivots to the next big fight. Hosts Jasmin Singer and Mariann Sullivan are joined by animal advocate and poet Gretchen Primack and Sexy Fit Vegan founder Ella Magers to announce an ambitious 200-mile march from Albany, NY to Marshall BioResources (September 12–26), the largest animal experimentation breeding facility in the country, with over 20,000 animals.
- Ridglan Farms closes for good — after years of activism, protests, and open rescues, the notorious beagle-breeding lab is shutting down and sending all dogs to rescue, marking a landmark win for the animal rights movement
- Philadelphia bans horse-drawn carriages — Revolution Philadelphia’s years-long campaign pays off, with advocates now setting their sights on New York City
- Albany to Marshall March announced — Gretchen Primack and Ella Magers are organizing a 15-mile-per-day, two-week march from Albany to Marshall BioResources (September 12–26) to demand an end to animal experimentation
- How to get involved — join as a marcher (full or partial), volunteer on a logistics/outreach committee, or follow updates at savethedogs.io; contact Gretchen (@gretchenprimack) or Ella (@sexyfitvegan) on Instagram
- Marshall BioResources is next — with 20,000+ dogs, pigs, ferrets, and cats, this facility dwarfs Ridglan and is now the movement’s primary target as momentum builds post-Ridglan
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INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT
Jasmin Singer: Welcome to The Hen Report. I'm Jasmin Singer,
Mariann Sullivan: I'm Mariann Sullivan
Jasmin Singer: And we have an exciting Hen Report today. There's a couple really important things that we want to chat with you all about, and then we have a couple really cool guests, uh, who got up early, or at least it's early for me, to join us.So let's just jump right in.
Mariann Sullivan: Not a, uh, I, I just wanna make clear we're recording at 9:00 o'clock in the morning
Jasmin Singer: Stop it. It's early. Like, it's 6:00 AM in California, and I once lived there.
Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, but we're not in California.
Jasmin Singer: Okay.
Mariann Sullivan: Alright, go ahead.
Jasmin Singer: Alright, okay. Just a quick reminder about the Our Hen House podcasts. Rising Anxieties comes out on Tuesdays, The Hen Report on Thursdays, and the long-form interview on Fridays. Bonus for flock members comes out on Mondays.
We're on YouTube. We're on every podcatcher. I think the majority of people are still listening, uh, which is great. Just if you can subscribe to our YouTube, that would be fabulous, and hit like and comment wherever you listen. It really does help a lot. Okay, so let's get to the big, big news.
Mariann, tell us what's happened.
Mariann Sullivan: Well, I mean, I, I, I think probably a lot of people have heard this, but, but Ridglan, yeah, somehow we won. I... What, what's going on? There're actually two huge wins this week in, um, animal rights, and Ridglan is actually going to close down, and they're going to send all of the dogs to rescue. I thought this would...
I actually thought it was possible that we would win this. I, I use the word we to include myself even though I did nothing. Um, that we would win this maybe after another lawsuit or a big fi- and then just, phew, I don't know what happened. There are things that have gone on behind the scenes, but I am so happy, and this is big because of all those dogs are gonna get out. That's the really big thing. But also, know, something's going on. Something is going... You s- you, you wrote that to me. I sent you, I sent you an email about something, and you was like, "So what is going on? We won?" Like, what?
Jasmin Singer: No, I said, I said like in quotes like, "We won, question mark?" Every animal activist everywhere was like, "Hmm? What?"
Mariann Sullivan: Right
Jasmin Singer: Uh,
Mariann Sullivan: Oh, then let me... you know, our guests, and our guests are going to be talking about next steps because sadly we did not get every animal out of research and factory farms, but we got those animals out. I use the term we advisedly.
Jasmin Singer: You know, the thing is, before you go to that, like it is really, really important to celebrate I will say, I always say small victories, but this is not a small victory. This is a, a, a, a much bigger victory. But celebrate the victories, people. You know what I mean?
Like, uh, because we don't have them that often, so raise a glass of whatever and tell us about the other big win.
Mariann Sullivan: Uh, Philadelphia. Yay, Philadelphia. Go Philly. They just banned horse-drawn carriages. Uh, again, I d- I did not I mean, really kudos to, um, what is it called? Revolution? Is that the name of the organization? I think so. That they have Revolution Philadelphia. They've been working on this for a really long time. They have done all of the proposals to bring in elect- you know, old-fashioned electric cars instead. I don't know whether that's gonna happen, but they're go- they've banned, uh, horse-drawn carriages. And I'll tell you, New York and Voters for Animal Rights, which is an unbelievably good uh, organization in New York, they are gearing up.
They are already on it. They're... 'Cause New York is, of course, the holy grail of horse-drawn carriage, uh, protests. It's disgraceful. It's, it's an blemish on the city and, and it has to be stopped. So I'm, I'm super excited about Philly, and I'm super excited about what's gonna happen in New York 'cause I think this could be it.
The mayor to be pretty on board
Jasmin Singer: Yeah, very on board. But this is so funny. I keep thinking about, like, there are certain, there are certain times when, like, Mariann gets so mad, and horse-drawn carriages
Mariann Sullivan: Like every day?
Jasmin Singer: Every day, yes. But I mean, like, out-- like, like the, the type of mad that you get at protests sometimes, you know? And so there have been times, there was this one time in particular, we were visiting a place.
I won't, I won't even mention where because it's irrelevant 'cause horse-drawn carriages are oppressive and archaic and cruel everywhere. But we, we were, uh, walking across the street, and there was someone, you know, with his horse-drawn carriage, and he was like, "Ladies, you want a ride?" And you were like, "Fuck you."
Mariann Sullivan: I, people don't realize this about me, I have to be careful about, about protest work because I, I lose my temper. It's
Jasmin Singer: It's-- I think
Mariann Sullivan: I've never been arrested
Jasmin Singer: Actually kind of a miracle, but it, it, you know, the night's still young, um, as, as we'll say.
Mariann Sullivan: Oh, I have no intention of getting arrested. I want to make that clear.
Jasmin Singer: I, I, want to bring our guests on today. So I just have a feeling that there will be thoughts on what we've already discussed today and, uh, your- the fir- our first guest you, you recognize because she was just on Our Hen House.
Mariann Sullivan: She's on and on and on. We just can't get rid of her.
Gretchen Primack: That's how it is.
Jasmin Singer: And, that's Gretchen Primack, animal advocate, poet, author of Kind. Uh, and so Gretchen, I know we have some, some other things we wanna talk about, but, like, welcome back to Our Hen House, and thank you for being here with your w- winning message wear per usual. Um, yesterday I wore a shirt, and it was the Don't Eat the Homies shirt, and I love it.
It's my new favorite, uh, my new favorite vegan animal rights thing. And then we have the founder of Sexy Fit Vegan, a f- fitness coach, animal advocate, and, uh, according to Gretchen anyway, all around fabulous human, Ella Magers. So Ella, welcome to Our Hen House. Thanks for being here.
Ella Magers: Thank you so much for having me on. It's a little surreal to be here. It's awesome.
Jasmin Singer: I'm also kind of obsessed with your background. For those of you on- watching on YouTube, you will enjoy the background with me. Do you have anything, like who painted that picture behind you? Do you know?
Ella Magers: One of my clients. It was a, um, gift she gave me. She painted that. Parmis, yeah.
Jasmin Singer: And Free the Dogs is very prescient and appropriate for today, I think
Ella Magers: I got that in Wisconsin, of course, um, uh, uh, well, while we were up there for Ridglan. And then it actually, funny story about that, I was getting interviewed here for a TV, um, spot, and it blew into the bay. I live right by the bay. Uh, it meant so much to me, I literally, like off the seawall, um, dove into the bay and got it from the bottom of the, of the bay so I could have it.
So,
Jasmin Singer: Oh
Ella Magers: I framed it afterwards.
Mariann Sullivan: God
Ella Magers: Yeah.
Jasmin Singer: I love that story. Alright, before we get into all of the above, tell- what is Sexy Fit Vegan?
Ella Magers: Uh, yeah, it's a brand I created in 2015 just when like veganism was coming into the mainstream and I, I was in Miami and I was like, "All right, let's bring veganism into the mainstream. What, what's a brand I could create that would help do that?" And I thought sexy and fit and vegan and just break, break stereotypes of what it means to be vegan and have it be really mainstream.
So that's, that's why, how I created that.
Jasmin Singer: Where can people learn more about that?
Ella Magers: Yeah, if you, um, Instagram's probably my biggest, um, platform, uh, or sexyfitvegan.com you can get there.
Jasmin Singer: That's great. And also that was kind of the sexy, uh, I mean, oh, no, Skinny Bitch era. I almost said sexy bitch era. So it was definitely... I mean, that's amazing that you've been doing that since 2015. I don't know how 2015 became so long ago, but somehow it did. And, um, and, and, and so has the nightmare that was happening at Ridglan.
So I, l- before we turn to why we have you two here today, w- what was your involvement, Ella, in, in Ridglan, and what was it like for you?
Ella Magers: Yeah. So I got a message from my friend Jennifer Torken on the 15th of, uh, was it March? Um, that said, "Hi friends. If you're getting this, I'm likely in jail." And this is how it all came into my roadmap and she, um, hadn't told me ahead of time that she was gonna be one of the ones doing the rescue, the open rescue on that date.
But, um, she did get arrested and I knew right then and there I was so proud of her, and this was her first time, uh, doing something like that. And I said, "Well, um, I wanna be involved." So started planning, became a, a red team leader for the, um, April 18th action and, uh, was, was on the front lines, uh, April 18th getting, getting tear-gassed or, or we had the fit team who was assigned to go move the hay barrels out of the way.
Jasmin Singer: Oh,
Ella Magers: so yeah, we were practicing ahead of time. Like all of that went to shit of course once, once we got out there and we...
Mariann Sullivan: But it all worked out in the
Ella Magers: But it all worked out in the end. It was
Jasmin Singer: Yeah. So I, uh, what, what was, what was it like to hear that they're all, that they're shutting down?
Ella Magers: Uh, yeah. Again, like it's kind of a surreal moment that... to have something like this, I mean, and they've been working, they've been working on this for 10 years. A lot of us came in at the very end and kind of had this big bang with this, with-- But you know, it, it was a cumulative effort, and I think everything lend, lended to one another. Um, every action, every... And then that last, I mean, I feel like we have the Dane County Sheriff's Department in part to thank for all this, right? Like for them to hit us so hard with all this violence that it became this incredible story in the media that just wouldn't go away and, uh, and motivated so many people to join this movement that got the momentum, and I got chills because yeah, we did it.
Mariann Sullivan: I like what you say too about, about, if I could just add, about, um, the, you know, the, the fact that they've been working on it for 10 years, but people have been working on it for 10 years, but one thing that I was really impressed with with this whole effort is that there was no one group or one organization that was pretending that it was theirs.
It really was a lot of different organizations who don't necessarily work together, not even organization, it was more focused on individuals in the press and, and, and I just really liked that, and I thought it was a really step, a great step forward for the, how the, how the movement is organizing itself.
Ella Magers: Yeah. How much has it united people? Uh, you know, from, from all walks of life, from all political persuasions, from ages and, you know, all the things bringing people together.
Mariann Sullivan: The vegans and the non-vegans and
Ella Magers: and the non-vegans. Yes.
Mariann Sullivan: It
Ella Magers: Yeah
Mariann Sullivan: it was really a unified effort. Very impressive
Jasmin Singer: And the sexy fit vegans and the like, um, schlumpy out of shape ve- like all of the vegans. I'm gonna start, I'm gonna start a brand called Schlumpy Not Fit Vegans.
Ella Magers: And we will work together to end animal experimentation.
Jasmin Singer: Gretchen, okay. So were you dying to t- I, y- for our listeners, we, we've had Ella and Gretchen were like silently here listening to Mariann and I before.
Were you like dying to unmute yourself and, and weigh in when we mentioned the good news?
Gretchen Primack: Well, you know how big my mouth is. Like what? You think I'm just gonna sit here mutely and be fine with it? Come on.
Jasmin Singer: How was that? It was only two months ago, like literally exactly two months ago. Uh, what was your reaction this past week when you heard?
Gretchen Primack: Sort of disbelief, but, but I had been tipped off. Like Ella and I had been a little bit tipped off. I think we saw it coming. You know, we've been watching it so closely that there were, there were hints along the way and conversations that we had had and such. So it wasn't quite as shocking, I think, as it was for a lot of folks who were following it less closely.
Um, but that's not to say that I wasn't delirious. But the thing is that what we're here to talk about today, you know, plans that we'll, we'll, we'll get to, is so underway and I think probably I speak for Ella and I both when I say that we're so deep in that, in the weeds of that, that n- almost nothing can, can like...
Jasmin Singer: Okay, okay. So let's, let's go there. Let's, let's talk about it. First of all, Gretchen, you were on Our Hen House just a few weeks ago, I think, maybe, or a month. I don't r- I don't... What is time? And you, you mentioned what's going on at, uh, M- Marshall BioResources. Can you just, for anyone who isn't familiar, can you kind of give the, the brief version of what this next action is that you're alluding to and what the next part of the fight is?
Gretchen Primack: Even while we were still at Ridglan, there was already talk about pivoting next to Marshall BioResources, which makes Ridglan, that hellhole, look like a, a quaint little bodega next to a Walmart, you know? So Ridglan had an astounding number of dogs, over 2,000. Well, Marshall has over 20,000, and pigs, ferrets, and cats.
So with the success of Ridglan in the media, in culture, the understanding that we might be at a tipping point when it comes to animal experimentation and how folks feel about it, we decided to go big and pivot to, you know, the super Walmart of animal experimentation breeding facilities. And right away, I had this idea, which I spoke about exactly one month ago today on Our Hen House, and I was like, "I, I have this idea to march from Albany to Marshall," which is 200 miles away, as an action to gain attention to what's going on, to go from the seat of power of the state of New York in Albany all the way to this horrendous facility.
And I almost jokingly said, "Yeah, and if anybody out there wants to help me." And enter Ella effing Magers. That was one month ago, you guys, and when you have any inkling from what we're about to say how far along we are since that moment, it's mind-boggling.
Jasmin Singer: You heard Gretchen on Our Hen House, Ella?
Ella Magers: I did. So it was on the 22nd of May. I was flying, I was on a flight to the AVA Summit in Toronto, and I was listening to Our Hen House, um, and I heard Gretchen. And as soon as she, that, threw that idea out, my whole body said, "Hell freaking yes." I said, "That's my project." I knew that that was my project.
But I like was like, "You know what, though? We're trying to make federal changes. I think we need to march from DC all the way up there," and, and thinking about the Buddhist, you know, march for peace. So I, I came at it first because I'm a little bit of an extreme person. Um, with- but they dialed me back in to...
But anyway, yes, I reached out to Gretchen, I think on Instagram, 'cause I didn't know how to get in touch with her.
Gretchen Primack: Yep
Ella Magers: I remember her-- she replied, and I was like, "Oh my God, Gretchen replied to me." Like, I'm so excited. And, um, and oh my gosh, yes, and now here we are.
Jasmin Singer: Wow. Alright, well I just, I just want to give you props. Like both of you, I mean it, it, it, it takes a certain someone to be the first person to raise their hand, but it takes a real some- someone also to be the second person. Like I actually think the second person is, is frequently how movements are, are built.
So like props to both of you. And so w- tell us what the plan is and how Our Hen House listeners and how we can support your efforts.
Gretchen Primack: Believe it or not, at this point we have, we have dates. We're talking about beginning in Albany on September 12th, doing a kickoff, starting to walk. It's around 15 miles a day average, getting to BioResources on, Marshall BioResources on the 26th. So exactly two weeks later we'll be at Marshall BioResources, all kinds of actions and fun stuff, depending on your definition of fun.
We don't, you know, um, going on there. So that is the action. We have unbelievable people in place already, but there is room for more. So I'll-- I said it a month ago, I'll say it again, if you're interested in being involved with this incredibly powerful action, uh, you can get in touch with Ella or I on Instagram as we met each other there.
Um, Ella, why don't you add some stuff?
Ella Magers: Yeah, no, we're, we're looking at this as, as one of the most epic, historic marches history. Like, this is going to be, um, such an incredible two weeks trek. Some people, let's just throw this out there right away, we realize not everybody can join the whole time. That's totally okay. Some people will join for a day.
Some people will join for a few hours. Some people will walk part of the way and drive the rest of the way. We have, we're having l- a whole logistics team set up to make sure everybody's taken care of. But yes, it's gonna be challenging. But that's the thing, you know, the pain that we might go through with blisters or shin splints or whatever it is, is nothing compared to what the dogs are going through and the other animals at, um, the farm.
So this is a really a representation of us putting ourselves and our bodies on the line, um, and having press conferences along the way, and community events, and pup cups, and vegan ice cream, um, and really raising awareness along the way, having politicians and public figures give speeches along the way. This is gonna be something that's going to get in the media and have people following us and tracking us and, and building the momentum, um, all the way as we trek to this, what Wayne was calling the death... What does he call it? The Death Star. That's not what we're using anymore. Um, but yes, this ins- like very, you know, cryptic, um, evil place.
Mariann Sullivan: So where are you, not to, not to bring this from, from the sublime to the mundane, but where are you gonna sleep?
Gretchen Primack: We've been thinking very hard about the mundane. Like, that's the thing about leading, leading something like this
Mariann Sullivan: is, is where every- uh, let's, like, let's face it, the mundane is, is the hard part and the, the most important.
Gretchen Primack: I would like to linger a little bit in the sublime in this effort, but no, we are not, we are not allowed to. Um, it's being, it's being determined. You know, we have, like Alice said, a logistics committee and, um, we will-- And a- again, anybody who's out there, uh, look at a map. If you are at anywhere near the route that would happen between Albany and North Rose or roughly Rochester, um, if you're along there, we're gonna be reaching out to faith centers, yoga studios, um, uh, SPCAs, you know, shelters and stuff to, to help out with things like that.
And already our map maven, Kris, who's incredible and has mapped the route, uh, has been putting together some of the campgrounds and motels and things like that. But it's, it's rural, you know? It's challenging.
Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. Oh, totally. New York State is, is big and rural. Uh, people don't realize that necessarily.
Jasmin Singer: I'm just imagining people who have like RVs or something or camping vans or something, would it be, it would be great if they could meet at certain points and have people stay there. But
Gretchen Primack: Incredible. Yes.
Jasmin Singer: out of my hat right now.
Gretchen Primack: We like your hat
Jasmin Singer: Okay, good. I have a whole collection, so many hats.
Mariann Sullivan: So when you get there, is there something going on there other than you, when you get there? Is there something that other groups are also planning, or is this just focused on, on your effort?
Ella Magers: Yes, so we will have a, a non-violent, peaceful demonstration at, uh, Marshall Farms. So we've got, um, our amazing Adam Durand, uh, organizing that for us. It's gonna
Gretchen Primack: Whoo-hoo!
Ella Magers: pretty amazing scene, um, that we're gonna create.
Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, I just wondered whether there would be some... It w- it's, there'll be s- you'll be going there and you won't just arrive and it'll be just you or whatever without anything else planned. There's something going on when you get there and we will find out more about what that is as the, as the days pass
Gretchen Primack: mean, we are arranging what happens both in Albany to kick off and in-- at Marshall to finish. You know, but there's a lot of groups involved, and we don't know if there's gonna be sort of layers and this before this or if-- Yeah
Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. And it, yeah, that's fine. I just wondered, you know, in general
Jasmin Singer: I, I am just wondering a couple things. First of all, remind me the dates you s- you, you said
Gretchen Primack: The September 12th until September 26th
Jasmin Singer: Okay. And then B, um, talk about like the potential of arrests or like the civil disobedience act- a- aspect of it 'cause I know that a lot of people are okay with that, but a lot of people aren't. So can you just give a little bit of insight into what risk people will be at?
Ella Magers: Uh, yes. So for this event, this is a, a completely peaceful march, um, that we are not putting ourselves, uh, at risk to any degree for, uh, arrest. Of course, we can't always, you know, promise any of that, but we're not doing any illegal activity. This is, um, completely for the masses. Um, think, think the Buddhist March for Peace, if anybody was watching that. This is gonna be exercising our First Amendment rights, um-
Jasmin Singer: Good. So that's, I always think of the dog, by the way, whenever I think of the, uh,
Ella Magers: Yes, Aloka. Yeah
Jasmin Singer: walk. That's just all I think. Uh, so what, what kind of support do you still need? And you mentioned people could get in touch with you via Instagram, but I- also just tell us what, what Instagram handle.
Gretchen Primack: Sure. Ella is at, uh, Sexy Fit Vegan, and I'm at my name, Gretchen Primack. Um, we're both pretty easy to find. I mean, if somebody's like, "Well, I'm not on Instagram," you can go to sexyfitvegan.com, and you can go to gretchenprimack.com, right? And find us to contact us there. In terms of what we need, we have these powerful, beautiful committees, and there are still holes.
You know, people-- Somebody could help out with, um, you know, the volunteer coordination committee or the logistics committee or the outreach committee, something like that. Uh, there's a little bit of leadership roles left, not much. We-- I, I really can't begin to tell you how, how amazing the people on these committees are.
Ella will back me up on that. Um, but yeah. So actual committee help would be amazing, and for that, we just ask people to fill out a short form so we can get a sense of their skills and interests, and then we chat with them. Um, Ella, what else?
Ella Magers: Well, if you're just looking for, um, to be involved more on the participant side and just wanna get-- follow the news and get emails about this so that you can follow it, you can, uh, just go to savethedogs.io and sign up there, and we'll be sending, sending emails out, uh, with more information as we gather it.
But if you want to be helping, helping out on the organizational side of things and the prep side, then reach out to one of us, um, on Instagram and, and, uh, we'll point you, point you in the direction.
Jasmin Singer: Do people have to be local to, uh, do they have to be able to participate physically in order to be involved with helping set it up?
Gretchen Primack: Nope
Jasmin Singer: Okay. Cool. So this is like a perfect armchair activism opportunity for people who are looking for that.
Mariann Sullivan: So has that, has that basically covered it for where we are now? I know there's a lot more that's going to happen and that will develop, but for where you are now, which is an unbelievably far way from where you were a month ago, uh, have we covered everything that people should know about this and get excited about?
Gretchen Primack: Well, how about the, the website is almost done. So it's possible that even by the time folks are hearing this, if you go to savethedogs.io, you're gonna find the button there that goes to the mini site all about the march and has a lot more information about it.
Mariann Sullivan: I assume that will be developing as more information gets planned.
Gretchen Primack: Absolutely.
Mariann Sullivan: Are you g- are you guys gonna walk the whole way?
Gretchen Primack: Oh, yeah.
Ella Magers: Planning on it, yes. Absolutely
Mariann Sullivan: You crazy kids
Ella Magers: Not as crazy as Kris, we've got a, we got a subset of runners that are gonna run the whole thing.
Mariann Sullivan: Oh, come on.
Ella Magers: Yeah.
Mariann Sullivan: Oh my God.
Ella Magers: They're gonna start a week after us.
Yeah.
Mariann Sullivan: That's the part I'll do. Oh, this is so exciting, you guys. This is, the, I, this is serious grassroots activism at its best, so thank you so much for, for sharing it with us. And of course, you know, uh, as things develop, we're happy to, to pass the word along for, you know, any changes in plans or development of plans.
But thanks for, for e- everybody, uh, at least can, can mark the dates, uh, on their calendar right now.
Ella Magers: Yes. Thank you so much for having us on
Mariann Sullivan: Our pleasure. And thanks everybody out there for, for listening. I hope you were intrigued by this. Oh, I have notes here, but, uh, Eugene is walking me right in front of them, so I don't know what, what I'm supposed to say. Actually, I do. Uh, thanks for joining us. Don't forget, Rising Anxieties comes out on Tuesdays.
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