The Hen Report: “Is There Anything Left To Say?” | Octopus Farm Canceled, Brazil Bans Foie Gras & More Animal Rights News

This week, Jasmin and Mariann dig into a wave of encouraging news for the plant-based movement alongside a sobering look at threats to wildlife protections. They cover new data showing plant-based sales climbing across Europe as prices and taste improve, the FDA’s struggle to define “ultra-processed foods” (and its decision not to ban them), a lawsuit challenging the Trump administration’s rollback of Endangered Species Act protections, and the surprisingly bipartisan momentum behind banning gestation crates. They also explore whether “nudge theory” is really enough to drive lasting dietary change, how Denmark’s landmark pig-farming reforms could offer lessons for U.S. advocacy, and a win for ethical vegans’ legal rights in Europe.

Plant-based sales are rising across Europe as price gaps close and product taste and affordability improve, according to Good Food Institute data
The FDA says defining “ultra-processed foods” is “challenging” and won’t be banning them, easing fears about a broad crackdown on plant-based products
Environmental groups are suing to block a Trump administration rule change that weakens Endangered Species Act habitat protections
The fight over pig gestation crates is uniting voices across the political spectrum, from conservative commentators to progressive lawmakers
Denmark’s push to reform its massive pig farming industry offers a case study in using animal-welfare messaging to move public opinion

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  Jasmin Singer: Welcome to The Hen Report from Our Hen House. I'm Jasmin Singer
  
  Mariann Sullivan: I am Mariann Sullivan.
  
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  Jasmin Singer: And I am w-
  
  Mariann Sullivan: I hesitated a bit.
  
  Jasmin Singer: were you,
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Did you notice that? I am Mariann Sullivan
  
  Jasmin Singer: I'm in my pajamas from, like, from last night. Like,
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Oh, yeah, we all noticed.
  
  Jasmin Singer: I've-- I just realized it's, like, 2:15. I've had multiple meetings today. I slept in this. So...
  
  Mariann Sullivan: I mean, it's just kind of like clothes
  
  Jasmin Singer: I will not admit how long I've been in this outfit.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, but, but we're not in the same room, so it's really not that big a problem.
  
  Jasmin Singer: No, I was on a meeting before with someone who had a hat on and she was like-- It was like a baseball cap, and she was like, "I am so sorry for the hat. My apartment is out of, like, there's no water," because there was, like, a water issue and, uh, she's going on and I'm like,
  
  Mariann Sullivan: The hat looks fine. Yeah
  
  Jasmin Singer: hat looked actually pretty good.
  
  I'm jealous of people who look good in a baseball cap, which is you. I don't look good in a baseball
  
  Mariann Sullivan: No, I don't really look good in a baseball cap. I look good in some hats. It's, I'm not a total like you are kind of hats just don't work, but, um,
  
  Jasmin Singer: Well, thanks.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Well, it's not really an insult. You're just prettier without hats.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Oh, okay
  
  Mariann Sullivan: It's not like a plus or a minus. It's some people are hat people, some people aren't.
  
  Jasmin Singer: I get it. I get it. All right. Well, Our Hen House is not a hat person. It is a podcast, and it is also it's on YouTube. It's
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Weak. That was weak
  
  Jasmin Singer: where you listen to your podcasts, whatever you want. If you wanna, like, smell your podcast, I apologize in advance because of the fact
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Alright, enough, enough
  
  Jasmin Singer: Okay. Uh, the, let's see.
  
  Rising Anxieties comes out on Tuesdays. The Hen Report, which is this, isn't it riveting? Uh, comes out on Thursdays. And the long form interview comes out on Fridays. The bonus content for flock members comes out on Mondays. So hit
  
  Mariann Sullivan: I have an amazing interview this, uh, this, coming up this Friday. I just recorded it with Cheryl Leahy. Um, and it's about this entirely new project, um, from the Brooks Institute about... It, it's not like any other Animal Law podcast interview. It's not about a specific case, but it's about this, this really intense program they're starting to support people who wanna do animal law, whether it-- they wanna open a firm or whether they just wanna do a case or anything in, in between.
  
  Yeah, it's good.
  
  Jasmin Singer: That's great. That's-- I can't wait. just came, you just came off of that, so I, I look forward to that. All right. W- I got an email this week. I didn't actually ask this person if I could read it. I'm just gonna assume I can. I'm just going to say her first name, which is Madelaine, and Madelaine ...
  
  Mariann Sullivan: I mean, it's everybody's named Madeline, so that's not gonna identify her for anybody.
  
  Jasmin Singer: No. And she wrote me... I just love this. Like, in all of the years of doing this, I have never gotten an email like this. "Hi, Jasmin. This is super late, but a while ago you were talking about the lone star tick and alpha-gal syndrome and joked that maybe we need more of these little guys around. I have alpha-gal syndrome. I got bitten by a tick on a school field trip from Toronto, Canada to the Southern US as a teen. I haven't eaten a mammal in 20 years as a result. My allergy progressed, and I became allergic to dairy, which was the push I needed to go fully vegan. I'm so much healthier, happier, and no longer suffering the cognitive dissonance of supporting animal industries. I fully ethically support veganism for the animals and the planet, but I don't think I would've made the switch without the allergy.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Wow
  
  Jasmin Singer: Thankful for this little insect for changing my life for the better and pushing me to better ethics when my willpower on its own may not have gotten me there. So as someone with alpha-gal syndrome who's had some really scary reactions and been miserable for years without knowing what was happening, if given the option of getting bit or not 1,000 times over, I would take the tick every single time.
  
  I say release the ticks. I used to joke that I was mad I didn't get any superpowers from a syndrome called alpha-gal. Now I know the superpowers were empathy, open eyes and heart to animal suffering, and a way of life that feeds my body and soul. Thanks for all you do." I love
  
  Mariann Sullivan: That's crazy.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Madeline
  
  Mariann Sullivan: because when, I think when you said that, or at least when she reminded us that you said that, I was like, "Oh God, you shouldn't say that. You shouldn't say that we want people to get sick." But I guess we should. I guess it's totally fine. That's so cool.
  
  Jasmin Singer: I love everything. I love the trajectory of the email. Like it started with allergy to mammals, and then it was like then the dairy, and then she like went vegan, and then there was the ethics. It's so cool.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, that's very cool. And, and, you know, I, I guess I've never been sure whether alpha-gal syndrome actually caused any problems or illness other than, uh, you know, the allergy to, to meat and I guess dairy. I didn't realize it was dairy as well. I guess that makes sense. So, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm glad to hear it doesn't.
  
  Like, that's the only thing, apparently that's the only negative or not negative, uh, issue that she had from it
  
  Jasmin Singer: I have to tell you, you have juice voice...
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Oh, maybe it's because I did that interview, but I really feel like, I don't know. Well, it doesn't matter.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Juice voice, we-- that's something Mariann-- we, we say because when we used to do a lot of juicing, at a certain point we would like lose our voice a little bit and we would call it juice voice.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: No, it's a very specific phenomenon.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Yeah, we-- that we invented and the only people afflicted by it are us, uh, unlike Alpha-gal syndrome. It is a good name.
  
  If you're gonna have a disease, have it one with a name
  
  Mariann Sullivan: AlphaGal
  
  Jasmin Singer: that. Yeah. Alpha-gal. all right, let's talk about some of these stories. Uh, all right, so the first one is about octopus farms, and this is as reported by Plant Based News.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, I-- this was the, you know, this has been going on for a while, this, um, Spanish seafood company, Nueva Pescanova, has been planning on, uh, opening this huge commercial octopus farm, uh, for years. I mean, there's been talk of it, and they actually just gave up. There's been so much opposition to it, they scrapped their plans.
  
  I mean, I, I think it's remarkable. I-- do peop- uh, is octopus popular in, in Spain? I don't even know. But, um, it was, uh, yeah, according to this article, they unveiled their first proposal in 2021, so it's been going on that, for that long a time, and actually, there's been a lot of activity from animal rights advocates, also conservationists, you know, scientists, whatever.
  
  And, you know, it just seems like octopus farms are, are the line that we're, we're not gonna go over. Like, a, a number of them have been shut... I don't know whether there're any, there probably are some, but a number of them have been, have been shut down in this country, um, and, and now the, the big one that was gonna be the big one is not gonna open, and I'm so happy.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Yeah. You know, I was starting to watch the movie, uh, Remarkably Bright Creatures, which is based on the book the same name that I had read a while ago, and the movie is now streaming, and it's with Sally Field. And y- I didn't continue with the movie, n- but only 'cause I got distracted. Uh, but in any case, I kind of think octopi
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Pusses
  
  Jasmin Singer: octopuses have, like, entered the zeitgeist from, you know, there was The Octopus Teacher a few years ago, and then this book, you know,
  
  Remarkably Bright Creatures. I don't know if it's just in the US because it's so, it's so convenient for Americans to be against something that's really not in our culture to eat. But it seems like it's in the, it seems like it's in the zeitgeist.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. Uh, it was a lo- uh, I mean, it's just weird because, like, chickens are also lovely. Um, there's a quote here from woman at, Elena Lara from Compassion in World Farming saying, "Octopuses are intelligent wild animals, not products to be caged in factory farms." I mean, what difference does it make whether they're wild or not?
  
  And you could say that about every single animal. I mean, and I'm sure that Elena does. I mean, I'm not criticizing her. But it, it is-- I mean, it's always easier to ban something when it relates to an unfamiliar animal. Sometimes, you know, like insect farming or something really bothers people, and
  
  Jasmin Singer: Hmm
  
  Mariann Sullivan: people are just so fucking bizarre.
  
  Jasmin Singer: I know. I always remember that I used to know this person in New York City, and way before her vegan awakening, she refused to wear silk because she was horrified at what happens to the silkworms. And like, obviously it's horrible, but it's just n- that was the-- she was the only person I knew of who that was the entry point.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Was the line that she drew. Yeah. It's weird.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Alright, so but now she's vegan, and she is not alone. There is a new, uh, report came by way of the Vegetarian Resource Group on how
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, actually it was-- And it was sent to us by Goose Rodriguez, flock member Goose Rodriguez.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Thank you, Goose Rodriguez, uh, for s- sending us this, this report. And it's pretty interesting. I mean, I'm not sure I'm like, "Wow, this is all shocking." But it, I l- you know, we'll link to it in the show notes because it does talk about the number of people who are vegan and vegetarian and eat vegan foods and eat uh, vegetarian foods. 33% of adults always, sometimes, or usually eat vegan meals. 5% are vegetarians with over half, so that's 3%, also being vegan. So
  
  Mariann Sullivan: That, that 5% and 3%, I feel like that never moves. And the reason I wanted to talk about this article is because of the other numbers. 'Cause it, it's always confusing to many of us who care about animals that, um, people who-- people kinda go halfway. They, they, they become pescatarians or flexitarians or whatever, because, you know, I think for most of us, once you've gone vegan, it's like, well, like it's okay to kill and injure some animals and not all of them.
  
  But that's just not how people think. And I-- where the progress is, is in the other numbers of the people who are not totally there, that 67% of adults in the United States always, sometimes, or usually eat vegetarian meals, including vegan. I mean, sometimes is obviously the, the issue there. We, we're not sure how often that is.
  
  But still, they don't say never, and I think that's r- only 33% say never, and I think that's pretty remarkable.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Okay, A, you're right, and B, what a pathetic, what a pathetic victory for us to be claiming.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. Oh, I don't... Uh, I mean, I wouldn't say that. I think it's a pathetic way for somebody to live. Like, you know, I mean, and of course it's for health and, and whatever too, so it's not that pathetic. Well, it's pathetic because they don't care about animals at all. But if you do care about animals and that's the reason you're not eating them, to only do it some of the times is, seems pretty pathetic.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Yeah. I mean, but, you know, humans are weird as we, as we know,
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Humans are weird.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Uh, all right. Let's talk about Brazil. And this has to do with foie gras as we continue down this path of discussing of the, the fringe issues within animal rights activism.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, and I mean, this story, people have probably heard it, but you know that Brazil has banned the sale and production of foie gras, um, making the French very angry and causing all sorts of problems, and that's really the whole story. I mean, that is big. Like, it's not often that a huge country bans the sale and production of foie gras.
  
  But I always think it's interesting just to discuss, like, the, the focus on foie gras, the focus on octopuses, the, the focus on, um, the animals that, uh, we don't eat here in the US, or at least not many of us and not very often. Um, is it good or is it, is it a dead end? I never, I never know. You've been-- you've soured on it a bit of late, haven't you?
  
  Jasmin Singer: I, you know, yeah. I don't think that-- There's just something about this that's not working. You know that, you know that book slash... Actually, was it just a movie or was it als- No, it was a book first. Uh, He's Just Not That Into You. Like, I, I feel like sometimes people just backbend and backbend and do all of these mental gymnastics and try different tactics and this, this, and that. And then at the end of the day, sometimes, you know, he's just not that into you. I think that there comes a point where, where you realize that, like, a certain campaign is just becoming stale. It's not quite working. And I guess that's where I'm at with this. However, I don't claim to know the answer to this or anything.
  
  I know that oftentimes, like, younger people who don't realize that there have been, you know, more seasoned activists fighting for decades on the same issues that they're fighting on, like, preceded them with anything because every generation seems to think that they came up with all of the ideas. I'm sure mine did too. But, uh, I've definitely heard younger activists say, you know, "We can conquer this." Like, cool, go big. I, I couldn't.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. Well, I mean, and if you can stop foie gras, that's saving a lot of animals from a lot of horrible suffering, and that's worth doing. But does it lead to people recognizing that other animals uh, uh, matter as well? When people are horrified that people eat octopuses, do they think about the chickens that are at every point...
  
  You know, this is, this is the eternal question, and it's hard to answer. And, you know, I mean, the fact that foie gras campaigns have failed in the past and this one succeeded, that's, that's not bad news. I mean, that could be a sign of progress. It's just, uh, it's so hard to know. It doesn't seem to me that, that if I s- if I wanted to stop eating foie gras, which I don't eat, but I wanted to
  
  Jasmin Singer: Obviously
  
  Mariann Sullivan: off it.
  
  I never did. I, if I wanted to swear off it for the rest of my life, what would that mean? Like, why would I care? Uh, w- I just don't understand people. All right. This is, this is not getting us anywhere. I just keep saying that people are stupid.
  
  Jasmin Singer: It's possible that part of what we're feeling is that we keep talking about it, like o- over and over.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. Yeah
  
  Jasmin Singer: And like there comes a point where we're like, "Is there anything left to say?"
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Does it get us anywhere? I don't know
  
  Jasmin Singer: I, I'm happy for whoever's watching this on YouTube because Lulu is on a r- she's on a rampage.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, she probably has to go to the bathroom.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Well, that's not gonna stop her from
  
  Mariann Sullivan: No.
  
  Jasmin Singer: wherever she ne-
  
  Mariann Sullivan: will stop her
  
  Jasmin Singer: No. I... Listen, my life is so disgusting that I feel it. I feel you. But with our six animals like,
  
  Mariann Sullivan: And I feel bad for her because she's always... I mean, I've only had her for a few years, but, uh, and she's very, very old. She's always been very, very good, but it's not holding. And I, you know, I tried the diapers, but she was like, "Oh my God, I'll kill myself first. I'll kill you too. I'll kill everybody in the room."
  
  Jasmin Singer: No, I had a dog for a while, Lucy, uh, the, who was never... She was, like, too good at being p- like, you know, h- uh, trained. So when, by the time she got old, she would not go, go in the house, like, th- like, on pads or, or whatever. And so she was, like, in discomfort if, if we were not readily available.
  
  So yeah,
  
  Mariann Sullivan: I-- Lulu isn't like that. But, you know, I mean, at some point, it doesn't matter how much discomfort you're in, like, you just go. Like, it's like you can't help it. I feel bad for her, but I feel bad for me, too.
  
  Jasmin Singer: I don't feel bad for new- for students in California because
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Another brilliant segue from Jasmin Singer
  
  Jasmin Singer: I'm gonna have a book just about segues. It'll be like how to make them and it'll, it'll, it, it, it'll be about one page long and it'll say, "Just be super dorky." Uh, California's new state budget to support dairy-free milk and plant-based foods in schools.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, this is totally activist-related because this isn't really a- an animal-friendly move at all. But lactose intolerance is real, and it has a lot of potential, um, as a, as a way to cut down on, on, um, you know, uh, cow's milk in schools, and everybody should be taking it. They're also-- But the fact that they also included plant-based foods is really good.
  
  They're focused on allergies 'cause that's, you know, God forbid we should care about animals. But it's great. I mean, I don't want-- I don't mean to sound, sound bad. It's the, the... In their budget, they've included funding for school kitchens that can be used to buy dairy-free milk and plant-based foods, and it was sp- the budget was specifically updated to allow schools to, to purchase these items.
  
  Um, and, you know, citing lactose intolerance. So that's great. I mean, this is a great activism opportunity.
  
  Lactose intolerance is real, and we should stop pretending like we should, we should, like, manipulate the milk in some way so that kids can, can have the great gift of being able to eat, drink dairy milk.
  
  It's ridiculous. Just don't give it to them.
  
  Jasmin Singer: uh, this is so awful,
  
  Mariann Sullivan: kids allergens
  
  Jasmin Singer: when my, when my niece was a baby, she was lactose intolerant, and I was so happy, uh because like she had to be, you know, they had to not give her th- uh, dairy. And as she got older, they started to like acclimate her to it.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. That's what people do. It's so
  
  Jasmin Singer: I'm sure she's still lactose ins..."
  
  Like, she has tummy issues, and I said to
  
  Mariann Sullivan: So stupid
  
  Jasmin Singer: it's 'cause you're lactose..." And she just, no hearing. She was not hearing it. Well, know, I was, I was just thinking the other day, I think I was talking to you about Debbie Gibson, right? Not, not Debbie Gibson the singer.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: You talk about her a lot.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Not the sing... Well, she, it was the singer, but I named my, my fish when I was growing up
  
  Debbie Gibson.
  
  I'm sure she named hers Jasmin Singer. And, uh, I w- I was just thinking about how she got so big when we moved her, when for some reason we developed some kind of consciousness around the fact that it was awful that she was in a little tank, and we moved her to my mom's friend's pond. And we went to visit her like a month later or maybe a couple months later, and she got really giant.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Crazy, isn't it?
  
  Goldfish can like adjust their size to the size of their bowls.
  
  Jasmin Singer: It's bananas. But anyway, uh, like clearly they're little geniuses or big as Debbie Gibson became. Argentina had a court ruling saying that fish have rights uh, this message got all the way from Argentina to New York City.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yes, because of, of course, because of PETA putting up a big, uh, billboard in Times Square. And I'm not sure exactly that this was such a, a, a groundbreaking, um, uh, decision by the court because they basically arg- they, they, the, the argument was that Argentina's animal cruelty law should apply to fish, and a lot of animal cruelty laws apply to fish.
  
  But, um, it did-- the court, in writing that decision, recognized them as sentient beings with rights, which that's why the cruelty law applies, but they don't usually put it in that kind of language. So I, you know, good for PETA to, like, to catch onto that and make a big deal of it. And, um, it, it was about a little fish who was in this display outside a sushi restaurant.
  
  How disgusting is that?
  
  Jasmin Singer: God. H- oh my God
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. And, and also, it was, it was not just that it was gross and, and demeaning to the fish, but it was also a horrible place. It was, they were in the sun, and they were exposed to all sorts of disturbances. So the, the fish was saved. The fish was removed to more, uh, pleasant circumstances, and PETA got the opportunity to put up a billboard saying, "Argentina court rules fish have rights. Don't eat 'em."
  
  Jasmin Singer: That's awesome. You know, I w- I, I've said this recently, but I was in the-- I was in Times Square recently 'cause I was seeing some, some plays, and there was, there were a couple animal rightsy billboards that I saw. Like, I'm loving this.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, it's good
  
  Jasmin Singer: Project Slingshot, incidentally, I happened to notice, is coming to the US.
  
  Like they are UK-based and it, it-- they, if I'm not mistaken, they're responsible for all of the giant billboards in the Tube that are telling people like, you know,
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah. Yeah
  
  Jasmin Singer: go vegan. And so they're opening... Their, their plan is to open throughout the US. They're starting in San Francisco.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Amazing
  
  Jasmin Singer: Yeah, I know. I'm, I'm very excited about it. So we'll have to stay on top of that, um, as that, as that... I wonder, I'm curious about like the types of, uh, know, like quantifiable results that can be tracked from things like public billboards. Like I don't, don't actually-- I have no idea, but I am curious.
  
  Like I would imagine it is an important piece of the equation, but I would be very curious to look at some studies or whatever,
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah, that would be har- it would be hard to track that. I mean, that's the problem with, um, effective altruism kinds of funding, that you really have to be able to quantify what your impact is. And I think there's a lot of things that organizations like PETA do that, you know, you're throwing your, your bread upon the water and seeing what happens.
  
  And, um, it's hard to believe that it doesn't have some effect, but I don't know. I mean, of course, there are very many clever people figuring out how to count things, so maybe they do, they do have, um, information on how to track the impact.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Yeah. Well, uh, Our Hen House is going to be 17 in January and I finally, after like all of these years, think I have figured out how we can better quantify some of what we've done. More on that another time, but it, it, it is hard. I mean, when you're in the media or the arts or certain types of PR, it is really hard.
  
  I guess PR, the media, the tomato, tomato. Have a couple-- Oh, speaking of tomatoes, we have a couple announcements let's start with this one from, uh, Jimmy at the NACVS team.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: North American Vegan Vega- Veganic Certi- uh, I don't, I... Well, anyway, they, they're the ones who do certified veganic, um, vegetables. Uh, not vegetables, um, gardening.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Mm-hmm.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: And they are-- They have a grant program. Their 2027 grant program is open for submissions, and they have 16 grants, $1,500 a piece available, um, to worldwide community-based veganic growing projects who inspire us all to think global by acting local.
  
  So if you've got a really cool veganic growing project in your community, get, get your 1,500. 1,500 US, I should say that since Jimmy is in Canada. Um, and he says, "We look forward to hearing about your work and help spur the agricultural revolution in whatever region you inhabit upon our sacred earth." All right, then they're not-- The proposals aren't due until November 30th, so you have a little time to, to gather your information.
  
  Just check out the website, um, um, certifiedveganic.org.
  
  Jasmin Singer: That's so cool.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Yeah.
  
  Jasmin Singer: I love that. We have another announcement, uh, from Sadie Freely, and this is to us from Sadie, who's a Flock member, who starts by saying, "I want to start with a thank you. I tune in every week to all three Our Hen House podcasts. Our Hen House makes me feel like I'm part of a movement. I love your conversations, and I often feel like I'm your third very quiet wheel. I'm also a proud Flock member." I love it. "I've been waiting for the right time to tell you about Laughs Not Slaughs." S- it's like laughs with an S at the beginning. "A vegan humor publication I launched in January. We now have 15 stories from six writers."
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Vegan humor. Like, like did she invent that?
  
  Jasmin Singer: Is that an oxymoron?
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Kind of.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Uh,
  
  so
  
  Mariann Sullivan: We're such a fu- we are o- known for being such a funny group.
  
  Jasmin Singer: We're, we're hilarious. I said the other...
  
  Mariann Sullivan: There are a few of us who have senses of humor.
  
  Jasmin Singer: I get to be a lesbian on top of it, so just to up the humor level, I texted my friend yesterday and I was like, "I'm reorganizing the linen cabinet. Who tell, who says lesbians don't know how to have a good time?" Uh, well anyway, I do, I do love this, and
  
  Mariann Sullivan: It's on Medium.
  
  Jasmin Singer: She said that, "I think your audience would enjoy finding out that there's now a niche humor publication for vegans and animal advocates," there are some...
  
  Yeah, let's see. Where do we read this? LaughsNotSlaughs.com. Uh, that's the website, and there is, there's a Medium, as you said, medium.com/laughs-not-slaughs. I think if you just go to LaughsNotSlaughs.com, it will,
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Alright, nobody knows what you're talking about anymore, Jasmin.
  
  Jasmin Singer: It will take you there.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Okay.
  
  Jasmin Singer: Take you there.
  
  Mariann Sullivan: Got it
  
  Jasmin Singer: Okay. So are, where are we at? I think we're more
  
  Mariann Sullivan: I think we're, we're, you know, tying it up
  
  Jasmin Singer: I think we're tying it up. Uh, well thank you to those of you who are out there listening and watching and intuiting. Don't forget that we've got some other shows coming out in the very near future, and I hope that you have caught some of the recent ones, because I'm still riding the high about Joanne, who we had on last week from The Korean Vegan.
  
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